#1 October 24th, 2005 10:32 PM

liandra_dahl

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STD's

A discussion on this forum recently about safe sex got me curious so I went to look up the facts about STD's and I was shocked and stunned about how little I knew. I had never heard of many of them and I had no idea there were so many incurables out there. So I thought I would share my discovery, just incase anyone else was as ignorant as I was about it all.

Chancroid

Chlamydia

Gonorrhea

Hepatitis B & C Virus - incurable 

Herpes - incurable

HIV  - incurable

Human Papilloma virus - incurable

nongonococcal

Pubic Lice

Scabies

Syphilis

Trichomoniasis

http://www.bestd.org/stdsymptomlist.htm

mikhaill

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Re: STD's

A discussion on this forum recently about safe sex got me curious so I went to look up the facts about STD's and I was shocked and stunned about how little I knew. I had never heard of many of them and I had no idea there were so many incurables out there. So I thought I would share my discovery, just incase anyone else was as ignorant as I was about it all.

Chancroid

Chlamydia

Gonorrhea

Hepatitis B & C Virus - incurable 

Herpes - incurable

HIV  - incurable

Human Papilloma virus - incurable

nongonococcal

Pubic Lice

Scabies

Syphilis

Trichomoniasis

http://www.bestd.org/stdsymptomlist.htm

*nervously whistles "Don't Worry, Be Happy" while scanning the scary list*

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Paulie

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[QUOTE=liandra_dahl]A discussion on this forum recently about safe sex got me curious so I went to look up the facts about STD's and I was shocked and stunned about how little I knew. I had never heard of many of them and I had no idea there were so many incurables out there. So I thought I would share my discovery, just incase anyone else was as ignorant as I was about it all.

I dated a girl who had 'cold sores'.  I sat her down and explained it was herpes and she could easily transfer it to me.  Genital herpes is something I don't want.  I was amazed at the lack of education in our community.

Thanks Lianda Dahl for educating us.

liandra_dahl

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*nervously whistles "Don't Worry, Be Happy" while scanning the scary list*

Yeah reading it and the symptoms caused fear to manifest itself as a peculiar cringing retracting sensation in my external genitals, as if they want to crawl up inside my body seal the opening and never brave the world again. and I haven't been able to shake it since.

mikhaill

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Yeah reading it and the symptoms caused fear to manifest itself as a peculiar cringing retracting sensation in my external genitals, as if they want to crawl up inside my body seal the opening and never brave the world again. and I haven't been able to shake it since.

This will sound a bit banal but it's getting late enough that, um, I'll use the lateness of the hour as my excuse.

The fear reaction is understandable, but knowledge is your best defence. Sex still ought to be fun.

"If you stop having sex, the terrorists have won!!!11one"

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liandra_dahl

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I dated a girl who had 'cold sores'.  I sat her down and explained it was herpes and she could easily transfer it to me.  Genital herpes is something I don't want.  I was amazed at the lack of education in our community.

Thanks Lianda Dahl for educating us.

Well I was certainly amazed at my lack of education. I had never heard of chancroid, human papiloma virus (20,000,000 new cases every year!), nongonococcol or trichomoniasis. I also had no idea that anything other than HIV and Hepatitis were incurable!

liandra_dahl

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This will sound a bit banal but it's getting late enough that, um, I'll use the lateness of the hour as my excuse.

The fear reaction is understandable, but knowledge is your best defence. Sex still ought to be fun.

"If you stop having sex, the terrorists have won!!!11one"

Oh sex will always be fun, and I'm sure I'll be able to coax my bits out of hiding before too long, it's just my knees go weak at the thought of the risks I have taken and how lucky I am not to have anything. I got tested recently and got a resounding all clear. phew!

mikhaill

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Oh sex will always be fun, and I'm sure I'll be able to coax my bits out of hiding before too long, it's just my knees go weak at the thought of the risks I have taken and how lucky I am not to have anything. I got tested recently and got a resounding all clear. phew!

A friend of my gf started seeing someone new recently. And just happened to develop herpes-like symptoms soon after.

In the middle of dealing with the where-are-we-taking-this-relationship issues, she had to tell this guy about her test, and he had to get tested and ...

Turns out it wasn't herpes after all. But, yeah, not fun. Now she's trying to figure out how to break up with him

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SCSIgirl

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A discussion on this forum recently about safe sex got me curious so I went to look up the facts about STD's and I was shocked and stunned about how little I knew. I had never heard of many of them and I had no idea there were so many incurables out there. So I thought I would share my discovery, just incase anyone else was as ignorant as I was about it all.

Chancroid

Chlamydia

Gonorrhea

Hepatitis B & C Virus - incurable 

Herpes - incurable

HIV  - incurable

Human Papilloma virus - incurable

nongonococcal

Pubic Lice

Scabies

Syphilis

Trichomoniasis

http://www.bestd.org/stdsymptomlist.htm

Ya left out Pregnacy  ;-}  Oh,  and don't forget the ex-lover who just won't go away.  Or the idiot who seduces you but had a camcorder hidden and is now sharing you with the world.  And if you are into your Orals like most of us here,  herpes on the face is hard to hide. 

But, realistically,  we live in a world of fear.  The media promotes it since it attracts attention.  All we can do is be reasonably cautious.  But where passion is involved,  caution is 'Blowin in the Wind'.  No one is going to have a potiential lover get a full med exam and then quarantine for 6 months before sex.  Most of us use a subdued lighting in a private room.  It's hard to see those external signs in those conditions.

Planes crash but we still fly.  The death toll from drivers on the phone, drunk,  or just not paying attention,  mounts every day,  but we still drive.  We've all gotten sick at a resturant but we still eat out.

It's just part of living and we hope for the best.  Besides,  if a girl is really a knock out and suductive,  she's gotta be clean, right?  ;-}

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Belgareth

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Well I was certainly amazed at my lack of education. I had never heard of chancroid, human papiloma virus (20,000,000 new cases every year!), nongonococcol or trichomoniasis. I also had no idea that anything other than HIV and Hepatitis were incurable!

A lack of education in this area is nothing new and certainly the "hype" that is put on STDs, or more correctly STIs (sexually transmitted infections), does nothing to help the educational process.

HIV and AIDS are the worst viruses to appear for a significant number of years and should frighten the living daylights out of anyone.

Some of the others which you mention have been around for centuries and are transmitted by forms of contact other than genital. There are a number of Hepatitis strains which cause inflamation of the liver and can be contracted through various fluid exchanges. The Herpes virii are, as has been stated, responsible for cold sores but also for shingles, ringworm and other "creeping" infections, from which it gets its name.

Non-gonococcal simply means a bacterial infection not attributable to the micro-organism gonococcus, which is present in the secretions of gonorrhea. Therefore, literally, it could be any bacterial infection which does not stem from gonorrhea.

The Human Papilloma virus (HPV) is the same basic virus which is responsible for corns and warts, anywhere on the body. It is extremely unpleasant when manifest as a genital infection because it can potentially cause carcinoma but it can also show no visible symptoms.

It is good to be aware of the risks of infection from the various bacteria and viruses but it is also useful to put them into context. Taking the examples of genital warts and herpes both of which are recurring ( effectively incurable) infections - they can be passed around ones own body and other peoples bodies by contact, at a time when they are in the infection phase. Yet how many people have had cold sores or warts and not thought twice about where they put their hands?

Trichomoniasis is an infection of the vagina which I understand can occur by other means than sexual contact and, finally, we are all prone to bacterial and virus infections of the GU tract, which are not attributable to sexual intercourse but can be transmitted to others by that means.

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liandra_dahl

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Thanks B I do feel a bit better, you're totally right about putting things into context, keeping things in perspective and all that.

blissed

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A discussion on this forum recently about safe sex got me curious so I went to look up the facts about STD's

It was an article on Hepatitis that prompted me to write a safe sex thread and I think everones got the perfect right to be shit scared of it or any other incurable.
If you've tested clear, then now could be a good time to change some of the habits that may have got you worried. Below is a good URL, at the bottom is a list of what is safe, possibly safe, possibly unsafe, and unsafe. I'm using it as a base list and adding to the safe list with things like exhibitionism and light spanking. I'd like to inject if I can some creativity into safe sex, so that it's no bother, but positively exciting. Can't dams and cloves look as good as lingerie?

I love good porn, but  I respect the people I'm looking at, and as this subject seems so unsorted, I often wonder if we should review what we should expect to see (an enthusiastic exchange of juices?) I think you should value yourself and someone you love above all else and not be coerced or take risks for money.
I think Cle/Paula is lovely, but I wouldn't want to see her or anyone else put themselves  at risk just for my casual pleasure.

If anyones got any ideas to add to the safe list, I'd be happy to hear them.

http://sexuality.about.com/cs/safersex/ … basics.htm

vadek28

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I'm staying home alone with a good DVD. 

Hydrops

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Education is very important, unfortunately there are a few incorrect statements in your post. 

A lack of education in this area is nothing new and certainly the "hype" that is put on STDs
The Herpes virii are, as has been stated, responsible for cold sores but also for shingles, ringworm and other "creeping" infections, from which it gets its name.

Shingles is caused by the Herpes Zoster virus better known as chicken pox.  You cannot catch shingles, anyone who has had chickenpox has the virus lying dormant in nerve cells that can be revitalised in one particular nerve to the skin. http://www.medinfo.co.uk/conditions/shingles.html

Ringworm is in fact a fungal disease that is fairly easily cured.

Trichomoniasis is an infection of the vagina which I understand can occur by other means than sexual contact and, finally, we are all prone to bacterial and virus infections of the GU tract, which are not attributable to sexual intercourse but can be transmitted to others by that means.

In the majority of cases trichomoniasis is transmitted by some type of sex.

Unfortunately some STD's are symptomless such as chlamydia but can cause pelvic inflammatory disease leading to infertility.

Celibacy sems to be the best option.

Belgareth

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Education is very important, unfortunately there are a few incorrect statements in your post. 

In the majority of cases trichomoniasis is transmitted by some type of sex.

Unfortunately some STD's are symptomless such as chlamydia but can cause pelvic inflammatory disease leading to infertility.

Celibacy sems to be the best option.

I will accept the error over ringworm and deserve a slapped hand for that. I don't know why I typed ringworm as I was intending to refer to roseola which is another herpes virus normally affecting children.

I appreciate that shingles is herpes zoster and is a dormant infection retained from infection by varicella-zoster (chicken pox) but both are herpes virii.

Trichomoniasis IS usually contracted by sexual intercourse, or close sexual contact with an infected person. It can be transmitted homosexually as well hetrosexually. However, it can survive on damp towels/facecloths and can be contracted via those media.

I agree that chlamydia is a serious infection and does cause major inflammatory disorders, if not identified and treated sufficiently early. On the basis that it is virtually symptomless and is becoming one of the most common STIs, it's presence should be specifically tested every couple of months. Unfortunately, until recently in the UK, it's presence has not been tested as a matter of course when a person goes for a GU check-up. If caught at an early stage it is relatively easy to cure. It becomes a significant problem when it goes undetected and is allow to incubate.

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Belgareth

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I'm staying home alone with a good DVD. 

DVD - Digital Video Disc - or - Digitized Virtual Dame ;-)

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voyeur2

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DVD - Digital Video Disc - or - Digitized Virtual Dame ;-)

And if you look at Liandra's new avatar it seems there is a new blow up doll in her life.  Ah the future!  The closer it gets the more unreal it seems.

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vadek28

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DVD - Digital Video Disc - or - Digitized Virtual Dame ;-)

As the penis is a delivery mechanism, DVD could stand for Deep Vaginal Delivery.  The acronym DAD also comes to mind, but let's not go there.

liandra_dahl

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I love good porn, but  I respect the people I'm looking at, and as this subject seems so unsorted, I often wonder if we should review what we should expect to see (an enthusiastic exchange of juices?) I think you should value yourself and someone you love above all else and not be coerced or take risks for money.
I think Cle/Paula is lovely, but I wouldn't want to see her or anyone else put themselves  at risk just for my casual pleasure.

If anyones got any ideas to add to the safe list, I'd be happy to hear them.

http://sexuality.about.com/cs/safersex/ … basics.htm

You can rest assured that Cle/ Paula is not taking those risks for your casual pleasure. Apart from the fact Cle/ Paula does this stuff for her own pleasure, all girls have thorough tests for all STD's before they do anything sexually risky that has been set up by AW or ISM.

blissed

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all girls have thorough tests for all STD's before they do anything sexually risky that has been set up by AW or ISM.

Liandra, sorry if this subject has unnerved you a bit, and thanks for the assurance about the tests. What you do for your own pleasure is your choice entirely. I like your pictures and videos, and so the things I pay for, I prefer to be ethical. Like the way the bank invests money on my behalf. No bombs, pollution or poverty.
So the thing is,
The incubation period for hepatitis C (HCV) is 2 weeks to 6 months, and for Hepatitis B (HBV) it's 45-180 days and you can get HBV from going down on another girl.
See all the other incubation periods below.

http://www.stdresource.com/concern/c1_d_3_a.php

If you have a shoot where you go down on a girl, and she's been tested, she may be clean, but if she's had a sexual partner in the last 3-6 months she may not. So you still take the risk. The sites must have a legal obligation to reasonably ensure your health and safety as a contractor, but it's impossible for them to plan a shoot 3 - 6 months ahead and insist you have no sexual partner until then.
I don't think you or Cle have to do anything risky at all. Theres no problem with ISM & AW  is about tantalising, with lots of girls frolicking in a waterfall and natural beauty. So in the end it's up to you to decide what sort of risk your happy with.

The site, below and the people who run it are probably the best to advise you if you ever have any concerns, even if your just occasional  part time.

http://www.sin.org.au/

Cle/ Paula does this stuff for her own pleasure

I know, she's got a lucky dude. The rest of us can just dream on :):):)

voyeur2

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Liandra, sorry if this subject has unnerved you a bit, and thanks for the assurance about the tests.

Blissed is correct about the tests.  They only state the current picture within a standard accuracy, may show false positives, and infectious people can test negative for months before the level of antibodies builds up to a detectible level.

Totally safe partner hopping involves mutual celebacy for up to six months or so followed by testing before going at it unprotected.  Or using protection for that amount of time befor testing.  Oh - and condoms?  As single method of birth control, they have a 2% pregnancy rate.  God knows the actual failure rate per usage.

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liandra_dahl

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Liandra, sorry if this subject has unnerved you a bit, and thanks for the assurance about the tests.

The site, below and the people who run it are probably the best to advise you if you ever have any concerns, even if your just occasional  part time.

http://www.sin.org.au/

No need for apologies, I don't know anyone who is sexually active that doesn't get unnerved about the idea of catching an incurable, possibly fatal, disease. If they don't then they're wierd, or stupid. I know the diseases have an incubation period, it would be interesting to know if they are actually contagious within that period. I am sure one of you enlightened fellows will be able to tell me. As for the sex stuff that Cle/ Paula or I have done, or any other girl on the site, ok so the tests aren't a 100% guarantee but what sort of protection can you use when going down on a girl anyway? As for getting HBV from it, well I am vaccinated, but I thought you could get pretty much all of the above mentioned STD's from giving oral anyway. Is that not so?

Thanks for the website link, but I don't fancy flying interstate just to get some advice on STD's. We have a pretty good service here in Victoria.

voyeur2

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I know the diseases have an incubation period, it would be interesting to know if they are actually contagious within that period. I am sure one of you enlightened fellows will be able to tell me.     

but I thought you could get pretty much all of the above mentioned STD's from giving oral anyway. Is that not so?
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Yup, many diseases are contagious in the incubation period.

And oral sex is slightly safer than regular sex for getting a transfer.  It has to do with providing an environment where the invader can survive.  The mouth cavity is much cooler and more hostile than the vagina, and many viruses have a very narrow temperature range they can survive.

But with HIV it is blood to blood.  There are cracked lips, loose teeth, bleeding gums, and shaving is a blood sport some of the time.

don't share needles.  stuff like that.  be cool

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blissed

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but what sort of protection can you use when going down on a girl anyway?

I know you enjoy doing it and it sounds like you've assessed the risks, but with all the other good things you can see on an erotic website. I don't feel I have to see someone going down to get my money's worth. Or is that just me, perhaps some of the other sponsors would like to express a view on that specific question, because it's probably in the end about economics. Would anyone pay to see safe sex. If it was done well, would anyone pay to see someone going down using a dam.

Markk02474

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99% of cervical cancer is caused by HPV, and some prostrate cancer may be also.

Men are not tested for HPV. I've wanted to be sure, and was told I couldn't get the DNA test because I didn't have a cervix and have nothing to worry about.

"So, I should have unprotected sex with some virgins and see if anything turns up?"

Searching PubMed (nih) indicates that now guys can sandpaper their penis and do a pap swab to get a sample for the new HPV DNA test which identifies which of the 100 or so strains you might have. About 16 strains are linked to cervical cancer, and about 35 produce visible warts. Most cancer causing HPV strains are not visible. Someone with HPV often has several strains and the visible ones are markers for the cancer-causing ones.

If a new flu vaccine is developed, tested, approved, manufactured, and distributed every year, why has it taken so many years to get a FDA approved vaccine for just FOUR HPV strains?

Mark

PS Gay men's clinics has been doing pap smear tests on the anus for a while, and yeah, it can cause cancer there too.