Bi-curious - Fashion or Fact?

C.K. · July 26th, 2005 08:25 PM

Are there genuinely more bi-curious women out there, or like flat caps, is it just a fashion, encouraged by high profile lesbians and actresses? C.K.

Markk02474 · July 26th, 2005 10:45 PM

"Gay Until Graduation" is the derogatory term in the US for college girls who have girlfriends in uni, but go straight when they get that corporate job. I can't explain Ann Hache - publicity? The fluduity of sexuallity? Odd things just happen. I've been chatted up in lesbian bars, much to my initial confusion. A lesbian friend in a relationship was giving me this strangely friendly vibe and wanting me to shoot nudes of her in ultra fit shape to sell on the net. She was disappointed when I declined saying there wasn't much money in it. I didn't find out until after she got a new gf that she had suffered years of bed death and had been giving oral service to a young guy on the side. Damn. Some lesbians watch gay male porn, enjoy rough sex, or perpetuate domestic violence. Others turn up preggers! I usually preface labels like "lesbian" with "self identified" because the behavior doesn't always match. More recently, people just identify as "sexual".

Mostly its less social pressure against trying things and doing it more if it feels good. Even straight girls I know confessed they fooled around with their best friends afternoons while in high school, and it was way better than the sex with boys then. I find many bi women sort out their sexuality by late 20's and often conclude they are mostly straight. Sadly, there are older women who never had a go when younger and post ads looking for a another. Most women have already filled their quota of having been some one else's first and just aren't up for it again with a woman who is likely married and who's husband would at least like to watch. Pass.

voyeur2 · July 26th, 2005 11:56 PM

I find the phrase "Bi-Curious" to infer a straight woman curious about a lezbian side to her.

What about as a lezbian or pair of lezbians thinking of having a male in the mix?

As a male and when still in early teens there was a bit of gender confusion for me, A few experiments with other boys, nothing went as far as penetration. Then I forgot all about it for 20 years.

When I looked at the swinging scene, there were a few couples looking for a second man. Depending on the 'role' for him to play would he be bi? If he asked - would it be bi-curious?

I prefer to think of myself as polyamourous, with a definite preference for the women, but not completely offended by the presence of another male.

wantingscott · July 27th, 2005 03:27 AM

i fantasize about a guy i work with, we have a cool rapport with each other. we're both married. at the end of a work day, sometimes we say "i love you" to each other.

just got back from a recent trip where my wife saw her best friend from grade school. i know they canoodled while i was out with her friend's husband and our kids.

a friend of mine hooks up with a friend of her's out of state once or twice a year when they're between boyfriends.

label it what you want to, i call it "normal". BUT: society in general, imho, more easily accepts a girl who expresses both sides. for example, if i ever did hook up with my friend, it would be "gay" and that's it. guy's don't call it cheating when their wives are with another girl, but wives DEFINITELY think "divorce!!!" if they find their husband did it with a guy. i know that to be true.

Scott

SCSIgirl · July 27th, 2005 03:46 PM

C.K. wrote:

Are there genuinely more bi-curious women out there, or like flat caps, is it just a fashion, encouraged by high profile lesbians and actresses? C.K.

One thing I have realized is that there are NO hard lines. I learned this from two girls I met at CES '95.

One was Corrie C. She proclaimed to be strictly hetro and strictly loyal to her live-in bf. (Turns out she wasn't). But she was a want-to-be porn actress. Since she was loyal to her bf, she would only do girl-girl scenes. So how can she be strictly hetro when she will do only girl-girl scenes? Or maybe what she does for business doesn't count?

The second girl was Linda G. She claimed to be strictly lesbian. She had a live-in gf. Later in the conversation she admits that she "goes out occaisionally, finds some guy, and "screws him into the dirt"' to use her expression. She refered to this activity as "getting her hormones balanced" (an expression I have grown attached to and use on many occaisions). Further conversation revealed that his "hormone balancing act" happened many times a month and sometimes 4 or 5 times a week. So how does a girl claim to be strictly gay and yet get hormone adjustments several times a week?

I think there are no hard lines. Even some of my very butch Santa Cruz gals like to pile drive once in a while. You won't get a complete answer to your question, CK, everyone is different with different belief in themselves. Variety is the spice of weirdness.

catt · July 27th, 2005 04:18 PM

C.K. wrote:

Are there genuinely more bi-curious women out there, or like flat caps, is it just a fashion, encouraged by high profile lesbians and actresses? C.K.

I don't believe there are more bi-curious women out there, really, just that it has become more socially acceptable to explore such avenues. 50 years ago (hell, even 20), those who could only be happy with a partner of the same sex surely would have suffered more than those to which it were a 'curiosity' or passing fancy (in that they'd still be content in a heterosexual relationship).

But such taboo topics tend to swing to extremes once unshackled, so granted, there probably are those who test it out for the chic/fashion factor nowadays. I remember a girl at my High School who would make out with a female friend in the middle of the dance floor, her eyes scouring the crowd for anticipated recognition and shock. If experimentation be a stepping stone to adult sexuality, then there is no harm in the developing.

And I think someone has already touched on this, but girl-on-girl is still very much more socially 'tolerated' than guy-on-guy - mainly due to (some) men sexualising the context for their own pleasures, and therefore still maintaining an element of control (in that it becomes safe to them, and containable.)

Today's Blah Blah brought to you by Way Too Much Coffee, Man.

xxxcattxxx

Markk02474 · July 27th, 2005 06:53 PM

Worse than throwing out your flanel shirts and boxers or eating red meat and up there with voting Republican was for a lesbian to date a man. A more certain way for losing friends then to come out of the closet! Today. lesbians will remain friends with bi women, but just prefer not to date them. That's some progress. This in the first state allowing same-sex marriage in America.

Most of my dating and relationships have always been with bi women and there has been some sex with lesbians, one of whom had been dumped a year of so before because she got drunk and hooked up with a guy one too many times. Ovulation happens! She also told me she had 3-somes in college mainly because the guy's girlfriend was really cute. With hair nearly as short as a Marine was a bi woman I was with for 6 years. The confusion it gave people was really fun. So was having women hit on her right in front of me, and then they wouldn't believe her when she'd say we were together. Actually, it took a while for my girlfriend to accept that many men found her attractive not looking Barbie.

Lesbians can need balance. I shared a house with three for a long time. An all female household can get too intense or sometimes just tense, and just one man there will be enough to chill that out. When going dancing with these friends, many prefer some men there to add some more and different energy to the room.

My ex-gf decided to pretty much go straight. My friends accuse me oc converting her, but her reason is that F-F relationships are too intense, difficult, and hard compared with men who tend to be more easy-going. A hook-up is fine, hooking up the U-Haul isn't.

I think most bi-male behavior is just about the sex. A BJ from an unattractive woman or a guy is still a BJ, except the guy doesn't need any romancing. I don't think there is usually lots of kissing and foreplay with these guys - all the opposite with bi women. The common theme is each isn't getting all the needs met in the hetero world. Intimacy with the women, and great BJ's ^H^H^H^H, er, raw sex with the guys. Perhaps bi activity dies down with age because each gender gets better with meeting the other's needs. Women overcome any inhibitions and become insatiable; men learn a little sensitivity.

Straight girls kissing etc. for attention turns me off. Insecure, attention whore behaviors do in general. Young women testing out their weapons is OK, but older than that, they deserve to be called on their bluff. I really hate the fake lesbian stuff in porn. Touching tongues so the camera can see is awful, along with the tongue out and only near a clit. I'd also rather not see long finger nails to be more credible.

liandra_dahl · July 27th, 2005 10:17 PM

Weeeellll, everything has already been expressed not only comprehensively but also eloquently, I probably shouldn't waste my time. I think it's a shame about the double standard Wanting Scott mentioned. I have to say I was living the exception if that is the rule. My EX on/ off boyf couldn't stand the thought of my being with other women, he considered it cheating. I, on the other hand, positively encouraged him to explore his repressed feelings of sexual desire toward other men. In the end he went to a sex on site men only club of his own accord. He's still confused about it but I know he really enjoyed it. When he called me to tell me I was so excited, and sooooo fucking horny!

liandra_dahl · July 27th, 2005 10:20 PM

Oh, and as for being turned off by

Markk02474 wrote:

attention whore behaviour

with reference to girls who kiss only to get male attention, think of it as a very effective chat up line. Guys do what they gotta do, girls do the same. Besides, I would imagine those girls aren't so much bluffing, as killing two birds with one stone...

Markk02474 · July 28th, 2005 10:37 AM

liandra_dahl wrote:

Oh, and as for being turned off by with reference to girls who kiss only to get male attention, think of it as a very effective chat up line. Guys do what they gotta do, girls do the same. Besides, I would imagine those girls aren't so much bluffing, as killing two birds with one stone...

Do the two of them really need anyone else? Other than an audience for their exhibishonism. If I was bored I'd talk to them and if there was a little raport, ask how much they liked each other. "Do you like her hair? ...her lips? ...like to kiss her?" My goal would be to dare them into being more intimate than straight girls wanting attention. I'd go as far as asking them to check how wet the other is. I've just been in too many women's bars and around real lesbians to suffer girls just playing gay.

Earlier this summer (in Boston) I did throw a line at a hot girl dancing very provocatively: "Do you have a brass pole at home?" She liked it, but rather from a younger guy. A couple years ago at Christmas, a woman wearing clip-on reindeer antlers came into the bar alone (and looking to be chatted up). The line came right away: "Hey, nice rack!" She loved it most of all in the three bars she had been to so far that night. Don't need to play gay for attention.

My ex-gf never wanted to hook-up or have a gf while with me. I wasn't so much interested in a 3-some as a little space. She finally did at NY Pride one year. The cutest blonde chick was hitting on her and my gf asked if it was ok if she came back to our hotel. "Yeah...Its OK with me. Well, do you find her attractive? If you pass, how long might you wonder, what if?" So she came back and the two of them had fun while I went to sleep in the other bed. It was another case where a girl wouldn't even think my gf had a bf. I played my part by dancing with them and her friends, who were all topless. Not a drop of drool and I didn't perv once! Mental disciplain and thoughts of baseball pervailed. Full disclosure would have killed the hook-up for my gf since the chick was a Lesbian Avenger and in a seperatist phase. I suspect when she had been dating men that she had been so overwhelmed with attention that she decided to just do women, got lots of ink and had everything pierced to scare some guys off.

When a girl is really bi-curious, I'm fully supportive. Some have been scared to go to a woman's bar alone, so I'd go and perhaps bring a friend. I even went through a long, tedious email exchange with the straight friend of a girl who was going to Provincetown for Memorial Day weekend. Her bf was getting a room with her and he was OK with giving her time alone to check things out. A million f'ing questions and the girl only ended up kissing and dirty dancing. That weekend is lesbian spawning season and just about any girl can get laid.

So, yeah, straight girls playing games - little patience and incentive to make them say the next day" "I can't believe we ..."

So, I missed the memo on how I'm supposed to get female attention. What comes after gum in hair, snapping bra, car tire burn-outs, and motorcycle wheelies?

voyeur2 · July 28th, 2005 07:09 PM

Markk02474 wrote:

So, I missed the memo on how I'm supposed to get female attention. What comes after gum in hair, snapping bra, car tire burn-outs, and motorcycle wheelies?

For me, sometimes, "Hello." works.
It helps if you look them in the 'upper' eyes and start with your big head before getting - down?

wantingscott · July 28th, 2005 10:44 PM

when i was dating, this worked without fail, and i don't know why: i would go to a rave, and me and my friend would just stand by the dance floor, drinks in hand. we never approached ANYone. we didn't look bored, we would sway to the music. BUT we both had pefected the 1,000 yard stare, where you're looking at EVERYthing, and nothing, at the same time. inevitably, before very long, the two of us would get picked up by attractive girls and we'd almost always have a great time of it.

guys don't pick. girls do the picking. it's a law of nature. go with it and you will find happiness. if a pick-up line works, it's ONLY because the girl saw you FIRST and had you in HER sights...

Scott

Markk02474 · July 29th, 2005 02:51 PM

They've usually already mapped out the whole thing and just keep dropping hints long enough for a guy to get a clue or the balls to "make the initiative" and think he was putting the moves on her. Ha!

I had to stop going to raves. I was older than any of the security, kids looked at me like I was 5-O, and I felt like a pedo. Then there is the problem of my not being able to dance straight, no alcohol for sale, and none of the dealers would sell gear to me. Also there's having to drive so far to and back. I actually did go to dance as my first priority. At some clubs the risk of man hands looms overhead. Here, it was 15-16 yo. jail bait.

Yeah, "hi" works. If I think of something kinda funny I'll use it even if I don't fancy the girl. Its just an opener to chat when I don't spot a better use of my time.

The 1000 yd. stare is a way of putting what I do when dancing with topless women, on a topless or nude beach, or where ever I need to look like I'm not looking.

wantingscott · July 29th, 2005 10:43 PM

Mark,
you know another cool place, then? coffeehouses. i'm married now, so i don't take advantage. but around here the "barristas" FLIRT openly, in the off hours (saturday afternoons, weekdays if i take a late lunch-hour).

that and Public Libraries. the reference desk chicks help you find a book and then it's a 1-2-3 lead-in to conversation.

BTW- we never so much danced at raves so much as sweated and bumped all over each other, like a massive well-oiled machine, ir a tidal wave.

Scott

SCSIgirl · July 30th, 2005 12:19 AM

wantingscott wrote:

Mark,
you know another cool place, then? coffeehouses. i'm married now, so i don't take advantage. but around here the "barristas" FLIRT openly, in the off hours (saturday afternoons, weekdays if i take a late lunch-hour).
that and Public Libraries. the reference desk chicks help you find a book and then it's a 1-2-3 lead-in to conversation.
BTW- we never so much danced at raves so much as sweated and bumped all over each other, like a massive well-oiled machine, ir a tidal wave.
Scott

OK, I'm about to give up a tightly held secret approach. I'd look for traces of animal hair on their clothing or fine scratches on the backs of their hands. even if I didn't find any on the girl I wanted to talk to, I'd make it up. "Oh, you must have a cat." Any talk about pets will succeed. Or, I had (and I still love her) an Old English Sheepdog. I had her pic put on a stickpin. That would allow girls to open the conversation.

Markk02474 · July 30th, 2005 06:20 PM

I had a contract job around the corner from a bagel shop and the same cute girl woul usually serve me. I came nearly every morning for a coffee and bagel and ask which ones were still warm. Eventually, it was "what's hot?" with us both smirking. Lately servers have been too young or gay. Still fun to flirt for flirting sake, but nothing else.

Not tried the library. Will have to find a shelf really out of the way, and then strategically misplace the book high or low, depending on her outfit. My very bad. Or the subject could be interesting.and ask her if she knows other/better books.

Originally, I wanted a response from Liandra with examples of male peacock behavior for a crown that would fetch attention like two girls dancind...

Thanks, its been interesting and educational anyway!

voyeur2 · July 30th, 2005 07:24 PM

Markk02474 wrote:

I had a contract job around the corner from a bagel shop and the same cute girl woul usually serve me. I came nearly every morning for a coffee and bagel and ask which ones were still warm. Eventually, it was "what's hot?" with us both smirking. Lately servers have been too young or gay. Still fun to flirt for flirting sake, but nothing else.
Not tried the library. Will have to find a shelf really out of the way, and then strategically misplace the book high or low, depending on her outfit. My very bad. Or the subject could be interesting.and ask her if she knows other/better books.
Originally, I wanted a response from Liandra with examples of male peacock behavior for a crown that would fetch attention like two girls dancind...
Thanks, its been interesting and educational anyway!

Waaay back in my past, I heard a phrase "If you can't get a date, get a nurse, and if that doesn't work - call Women's College." So I went to a small hospital near where I lived and asked at the nurses' residence reception desk if there were any nurses in the lounge room who wanted to go out that night
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Shocked silence. (This was the early 60's)

Then the desk nurse picked up the phone and called the lounge.

In ten minutes I had the cutest little lineup to choose from - or was it they had a pecking order over who got to pick me. I don't really remember, other than it was a fun evening.

Sometimes t's too easy.

liandra_dahl · July 31st, 2005 11:50 PM

Markk02474 wrote:

So, I missed the memo on how I'm supposed to get female attention. What comes after gum in hair, snapping bra, car tire burn-outs, and motorcycle wheelies?

I don't know Mark, your list pretty much does it for me... However should gum, bra, car and motorcycle all be unavailable to you...

I am a sucker for a guy who can dance with you, not just bumping his crotch against you, but I am talking body to body. It's a bit like the dirty dancing stuff but not so ballroomesque and much less spinning around and lifting the girl above your head; there's just not enough room for that stuff on a crowded dance floor.

Failing that, laughter is always a winner, if you can make me laugh you could greatly increase your chances of helping me make my bed in the morning! If you do a good job with the bed, I might just sleep with you... and if you don't snore or fart too much in your sleep you might just get a kiss.

Sorry, hmmm... I just don't know if I can give you a sure fire thing to do. Confidence is always good but there's a fine line. I find I get seriously aroused when guys kiss each other but seeing that I would presume they were into each other and probably leave them alone whilst trying to look, with out looking like I was looking.

Markk02474 · August 2nd, 2005 03:12 AM

from you, akin to two girls dancing. Around here two guys kissing would simply be written off by women with "see, all the good ones are married or gay!" Or I would worry about him getting hiv and giving it to me. Not sexy.

I was at a car parts store yeasterday and got reminded of more juvinile attention getters - loud stereo, undercarriage lights, and tarted up interiors. Yeah, that's hot!

I do like dirty dancing, mostly go for trance, but will try to find the few deep house nights or perhaps reggae. There's just too much rock here and girls dance to their own beat. Another reason I end up with bi girls is that they've been to many gay clubs that play danceble music with a beat and ist so much easier to move together then.

One time at Man Ray (just closed, snif sniff) I was there with two lesbian roommates, each a few feet apart. A dyke came up and asked one, then another, then me to dance, but I agreed. We danced and got into some face to face bumping and grinding and parted after a few songs. Its the kind of place where you can dance just to dance and not firstly a meet market. She asked me later and we danced again for a bit. The funny thing was after closing, in the parking lot, she was parked next to us and did a double take, probably not quite sure what the deal was.

Forbes magazine like many business executive are idiots. Using their spreadsheets, they determined that Boston was the #2 US city to be single in. They probably couldn't quantify information like most women have huge walls up and many guys don't bother to try and chat them up any more. Strangely, women conclude there aren't single men around because no one is trying to pull them. No, the guys already put in a full 50+ hour work week at the office, thank you very much. I have a couple sneaky ways to crumble walls to just converse, but that is better than the usual complete brush off.

liandra_dahl · August 2nd, 2005 11:36 PM

Markk02474 wrote:

I was at a car parts store yeasterday and got reminded of more juvinile attention getters - loud stereo, undercarriage lights, and tarted up interiors. Yeah, that's hot!

I've heard this but I was never into cars. I never realised boys did it to get girls either. I suppose I was being a little obtuse. It was only when I came to Australia and met my husband that I really noticed it. He used to start chuckling to himself and say, "you haven't got a bloody clue have you". I'd look at him feeling totally bemused at the insult then he explained that a guy at the lights had been revving his engine trying to compete for my attention. Once I'd been alerted to the possibility I became a bit more sensitive to it. I couldn't miss it one time though, when a guy drove off the road on to the footpath got out of his car and shook my husbands hand, then said in his thick twangy north queensland australian accent "I was having a fucking bad day, then I saw you with her and thought to myself, if he can do it, so can I".

Now I live in an area of Melbourne that has strong Italian and Greek communities and they aren't shy, if the engine rev doesn't get your attention they'll just scream out the window at you flashing their lights and tooting their horn, really smooth. I have to wonder if it ever works!!!! It was funny though, I moved a way for a while and I couldn't understand why I my ego was feeling deflated, then I realised I wasn't having to fend off male advances everytime I walked down the street in the evening. It was unnerving to realise that I was...well...I suppose thriving on the attention (unwanted though it was). I guess I learnt a little bit more about myself. I'm glad that I don't have blonde hair and big boobs though. the kind of attention that generates would be unbearable. I find I feel compelled to look when I see a blonde woman go by, especially if she's got a nice cleveage. there's something about the hair colour that draws your eye, when it's in good condition anyway.

Anyway, that was a totally irrelevant tangent, sorry.

SCSIgirl · August 3rd, 2005 10:50 AM

liandra_dahl wrote:

Now I live in an area of Melbourne that has strong Italian and Greek communities and they aren't shy, if the engine rev doesn't get your attention they'll just scream out the window at you flashing their lights and tooting their horn, really smooth.
Anyway, that was a totally irrelevant tangent, sorry.

Around here that's the Mexicans and Blacks. It's really annoying to those of us who are trying to show a little more class and respect. But my teenage daughter is really into it.

I've been unable to explain to her, that when you go to a rap concert and the performers are calling you girls cunt and whore and "come up here and suck my dick and I wanna ass-fuck you", and you girls are screaming and cheering; that the guys you go with are seeing this behavior and saying to themselves "So that's what they like. That's the way I should act. That's how you romance a girl." Boys are in a learning curve just as much as girls. There is no instruction book. You learn by observing. Guys are trying to figure out what girls want. When you cheer the behavior of these performers, and guys see that these performers are worshiped idols, they figure that this is how it's done.

No wonder, we're dysfunctional.

End of lecture.

Markk02474 · August 3rd, 2005 08:18 PM

liandra_dahl wrote:

I've heard this but I was never into cars. I never realised boys did it to get girls either.

That or a more socially acceptable outlet for men to express homophilia! So butch!

Just today a free bi-weekly came out with quotes from women on the street about men's rides. The most common answer was that they found men who drove a standard sexier than automatic drivers! Then I remembered an ex who always wanted me to double clutch when downshifting going into an exit ramp. I got into the habit before doing any amateur racing - I had an old xke with no synchro left in 2nd gear. That car was kind of a sad story. Girls my age just out of college didn't appreciate it but my mom's friends all wanted rides!

The attention thing is tricky. Many have trouble accepting that they like it, and thinking its wrong. I remember a chat show with a 2x or 3x trans-sexual on. When asked what he missed most when not being a woman, the answer was "the attention".

Two girls getting on can capture a roomful of men's attention, but I have not heard a way for men to do that yet. Being a rock star kind of attention, but easy like two girls bumping and grinding together.

Attention is overwhelming for some, like a woman I knew. She is statuesque and classically beautiful. Wearing her hair short and being flat-chested didn't detract at all. We were looking through photos one time and I saw one of a long-haired, blonde teen with boyant, full breasts and asked who it was. "Me, before getting my breasts and hair cut off. It helped cut down the attention by 80%." She grew up in an exclusive town and had to run from a potential attacker once, and remained so extremely fearful as to mutilate her body. She had a number of issues (claiming her mum sexually abused her; fiance beat her up), so I don't know what to believe. Women and the famous do sometimes dress down to avoid attention, but most men don't have such challenges. If a woman seems nervous, I do my best to make her feel more comfortable, even at my expense. Well, not completely. If nervous, the conversation won't be so good.

I think the reason rappers can talk trash is the same reason Ozzie blokes pull well in the States - to many mamby-pamby, PC, androgynous metro-sexuals and not enough tops! Is violence on TV, in music, video games, or on the playing field going to carry over to real life? Girls are getting much better at telling boys EXACTLY what they want and if a boy doesn't get it, she can bitch slap him.

wantingscott · August 3rd, 2005 11:05 PM

Markk02474 wrote:

Girls my age just out of college didn't appreciate it but my mom's friends all wanted rides

Markk,
here's to all the Mrs Robinsons out there!!! a neighbor's wife was chatting me up last night at a party. god she was toned and sexy. late 40's-early 50's. i would've LOVED to mention this site to her -but her husband is UDT... (i had to pull one off in her honour before going to sleep.)

ahhh- where are the HOT 40 year olds on this site? how can I, we, us market ISM to them? they're out there, and they're simmering hot-action just under the surface.

Scott

Markk02474 · August 4th, 2005 02:29 PM

wantingscott wrote:

Markk,
here's to all the Mrs Robinsons out there!!! ...
ahhh- where are the HOT 40 year olds on this site? how can I, we, us market ISM to them? they're out there, and they're simmering hot-action just under the surface.
Scott

Perhaps belonging under regrets, but not mine...

I was especially shy in my 20's. I was on holiday in Florida with a couple buddies and three women about 15 years older than us came in to our hotel's bar and right up to our table with a hungry look in their eyes.. Perhaps after hello one invited me to leave with her and really wasn't taking no for an answer. My buddies were not backing my up, rather the opposite. She was fit and reasonably unattractive, but the rabid look had me terrified and fearing I would be eaten alive! Think a brunette Samantha before the show Sex in the City ever existed.

There's other sites for older women. They don't have time to pose anyway. In Boston they post on craigslist and get 50 college boys wanting to shag them. Here its rare to find any woman 40 or under interested in dating a man over 40 - Demi Moore's qualities or not. I'm not a pensioner yet, damn it!

wantingscott · August 5th, 2005 02:24 AM

as bad as girls complain about guys checking them (T&A) out all the time-
when i visit friends on long island, the 40-50 year old "plastic surgery" set makes us feel like walking D&A. AND blatently in front of our wives. my catt gets MAD!!!

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