#1 July 3rd, 2005 06:21 AM

nagaloo

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What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

I just watched the stash-safe video. Ok now you have given me a reason for leaving this site. Ahhhh drugs ruin lives and kill people. You might think it's a joke and I don't care if it's baby powder or corn sugar. If there is more of that to come in the promo videos then I will stop my subscription. I would tell you to stick the Stash-Safe somewhere but I bet you might like that.
STEWART

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Head

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Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

Wait until episode 3 before you leap to any conclusions.

I just watched the stash-safe video. Ok now you have given me a reason for leaving this site. Ahhhh drugs ruin lives and kill people. You might think it's a joke and I don't care if it's baby powder or corn sugar. If there is more of that to come in the promo videos then I will stop my subscription. I would tell you to stick the Stash-Safe somewhere but I bet you might like that.
STEWART

nagaloo

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Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

Wait until episode 3 before you leap to any conclusions.

Why is she going to try and get a crack pipe in it next? Or use it to do crystal meth? It's heat resistant is it?

Well what else can I get from white powder, a card, a mirror, lines and a tiny spoon. And its called a stash-safe after all. That was funny at first, this is not.
STEWART

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Candide

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Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

Why is she going to try and get a crack pipe in it next? Or use it to do crystal meth? It's heat resistant is it?

Well what else can I get from white powder, a card, a mirror, lines and a tiny spoon. And its called a stash-safe after all. That was funny at first, this is not.
STEWART

I think it's hilarious. I suspect your anger comes from the hypocrisy that exists around drugs. Alcohol ruins people too, there's a strong case to be made for Barbie-dolls ruining people (body-image and such). But you didn't protest when the girl tried to bring in a Barbie-doll and I am almost certain you would not have protested if she shoved a wine bottle up her fanny.

nagaloo

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Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

I think it's hilarious. I suspect your anger comes from the hypocrisy that exists around drugs. Alcohol ruins people too, there's a strong case to be made for Barbie-dolls ruining people (body-image and such). But you didn't protest when the girl tried to bring in a Barbie-doll and I am almost certain you would not have protested if she shoved a wine bottle up her fanny.

There are drugs out there that once is enough to get fucked for good. I smoke, drink and use cannabis. All in a very controlled manner. I am fortunate to never have been hooked on cigs. I smoke but only now and then, it might still kill me but I never feel tied to them. And I make wine and have at least 100 bottles in my cellar but haven't been drunk in 20 years. And cannabis I use mostly for health reasons but I do it for fun with a friend or 2 when I know I am staying put for the night. I never go out in public stoned.

As for poor barbie well she gets a bumwrap as far as I am concerned. Why are some women unable to be themselves and ignore whats around them. Ahh isn't wine bottles stuff for another site than this? Things have been placed in other places and whats that got to do with this being an nude art site anyway? Dildos, kids toys, one girl had something big and shiny (looked like a bat to me) I can let these things slide by yea but implying this product can be used for drugs no fucking way.
STEWART

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trebora

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Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

I'm all for standing by your princples.  I can't remeber ever reading one of your post and thinking you were just plain whacked so I'm guessing that certain drugs have somehow had a seriously negative impact in some way shape or form in your life.  Personally I think your overreacting.

Unless laws have changed weed is still considered a drug in most of the world.  If she had stuck a home roll in there would that have made it okay.

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nagaloo

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Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

I'm all for standing by your princples.  I can't remeber ever reading one of your post and thinking you were just plain whacked so I'm guessing that certain drugs have somehow had a seriously negative impact in some way shape or form in your life.  Personally I think your overreacting.

Unless laws have changed weed is still considered a drug in most of the world.  If she had stuck a home roll in there would that have made it okay.

No I never have had a problem but watch lots of stuff on it and do a little reading. I know people who abuse cannibas. It is honestly a good thing for some diseases or conditions and the powers that be need to make it a medical tool to hepl people. Whatever the drug used or imitated had been I would have been upset.

Do you realize that crystal meth excretes itself from your body like splinters and the users "do it" again. Including getting it from their urine when it evaporates?

Stew

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Belgareth

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Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

No I never have had a problem but watch lots of stuff on it and do a little reading. I know people who abuse cannibas. It is honestly a good thing for some diseases or conditions and the powers that be need to make it a medical tool to hepl people. Whatever the drug used or imitated had been I would have been upset.

Do you realize that crystal meth excretes itself from your body like splinters and the users "do it" again. Including getting it from their urine when it evaporates?

Stew

I don't know anything about the video you mentioned but, like yourself, I am dead against drugs that screw you up - which is most of them, even when they are used in a controlled environment. In fact, one of my close relatives was forced into pethidine addiction due to over-administration of that drug while she was in hospital. It took them three years to stop her climbing the walls begging for more, once they took her off it. I never wanted to see anyone in that state again but, sadly, I see it all the time now in most of the major cities in the UK.

I do understand your antagonism but can I suggest that you at least give Head a chance and wait until the third part of the video, then flame him and everyone else that you are inclined to flame, (including me if you think I am being unreasonable) if you still feel inclined.

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MrPicMe

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Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

I just watched the stash-safe video. Ok now you have given me a reason for leaving this site. Ahhhh drugs ruin lives and kill people. You might think it's a joke and I don't care if it's baby powder or corn sugar. If there is more of that to come in the promo videos then I will stop my subscription. I would tell you to stick the Stash-Safe somewhere but I bet you might like that.
STEWART

Head, believe it or not, some of us are here to see artful self made photography...

voyeur2

Member

Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

Head, believe it or not, some of us are here to see artful self made photography...

Head - even I whom most would assume would oppose any statement from MPM sort of agree with his statement and also agree with Stew.

I was disappointed when the site began to offer merchandise, and particularly disappointed to see stash stuff as from the mid sixties when everyone I knew had a stash of dope.  An unfortunate association, and an association that I believe was not accidental on your run up to naming the initial offering.

I think you should take the high road on this as you have taken on the art/porn dichotomy and rename the product. 

A couple of names pop off the top of my head - (MaCache) (HidyHole) 

In the 18 th century in Canada the canoe traders would travel outward bound up river for a year to the west.  These - mostly French - traders would hide supplies for the return trip at intervals on the outward trip.  It lightened the load fast, and sped the return.  These hidden spots were called a "cache".  Hence the computer memory term as well.  You hide it away until you need it..  Let the user/buyer decide what to do with the cache.

Perhaps a name contest for this product would be in order. 

With the winner getting a free month of Extra access and a - 'MaCache"?

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neilj67

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Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

I emerged from a decade of being retarded and punishing myself. It took a long time for me to learn that everything other than weed is a waste and even that can be taxing the way I smoked it. I don't trip when I see drugs in art or movies. I liked 'Requim for a Dream' and I still have my 'Dance Hall at Louse Point' cd with a gazillion little razor blade scars on the case. This site kicks ass for all the different looks/themes that get tried. There's a little too much nature shit for my taste, but the girls and concept are phenomenal.

nagaloo

Member

Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

There are more negative than positive so far.

I guess I could take my own advice and change the channel and not watch the rest of this. And the jury is still out on my keeping my subscription. To think I had considered getting a life time membership.

I agree with Voyeur2, I had not thought of it in the light of us paying for your adverstising when we are paying already to see the girls. Its not that we didnt know about the product already. I thought it was a nice gag gift for someone.

Head you need to reconsider this "Porno Promo Video" !!!!  Stop Pimping your Product!!!

Stew

PS Hey now that I have checked it out you are pimping someone elses product. It's not a ISM unique product. Shame I say, Shame!! Or is that another branch of ISM? Who owns it all and are you listed somewhere?

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icheratus

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Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

I'm baffled.

It's a bonus video, i.e. extra to the stuff we pay for - so nobody could complain they're getting worse value for money.

It's a Dandy video, so you know it'll be provocative. That's the persona Dandy uses around this site. Don't forget, this site is, in part, about challenging perceptions. In fact, the one thing I assumed the powder wasn't, was cocaine!! At first, I assumed it was some sort of hangover remedy (the condom packet looked a bit like it could be a packet of powders, and the brand wasn't familiar to me). But given what Dandy says in the vid, I'll wager it's sugar, which she adds to her coffee in part 3.

All in all, it was clearly flagged what the video was, and any whimpers of protest really do smack of nanny state.  Get real.

SCSIgirl

Member

Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

I just watched the stash-safe video. Ok now you have given me a reason for leaving this site. Ahhhh drugs ruin lives and kill people. You might think it's a joke and I don't care if it's baby powder or corn sugar. If there is more of that to come in the promo videos then I will stop my subscription. I would tell you to stick the Stash-Safe somewhere but I bet you might like that.
STEWART

You were over-reacting in your first post,  Stew, but I understand your concern.  When I saw the vid I was suprised but not concerned.  Now that I've thought about it,  I think I should say this:

We live in a world of associations and profiling. (We assume all Muslins are terrorists.  We assume all mid-easterns are Muslin AND terrorists).  Nudes walk a fine line between art and porographic.  Poronography is ASSUMED to part of the underworld.  The police harass it all the time.  Most people put it down there with all vices controlled by the Mob.  Trying to stay above board and battle for legitimacy is a constant fight against those who would deprive us of our freedom to choose.

Would you allow any video or portfolio that displayed the use of drugs?  Is a totally beautiful and sexy model allow to submit a portfolio demonstrating how to shoot up?  The problem is compounded when it is a demo for a product ISM sells.  It sends up a flag up for LEA to see.

If you are investigated,  we are all in your database.  Yor servers are in California,  no privacy law will protect us from a court order,  which LEA can get at the snap of a finger.

Just consider the possibilities.

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nagaloo

Member

Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

You were over-reacting in your first post,  Stew

We live in a world of associations and profiling

It sends up a flag up for LEA to see.
If you are investigated,  we are all in your database.  Yor servers are in California,  no privacy law will protect us from a court order,  which LEA can get at the snap of a finger.

1 I would hate to stop cuming to see the ISM girls.

2 I try not to think all Americans are uneducated as to where and who Canadians are.

3 Who is Lea, will she be doing a folio and a video? Would we all be in trouble if this was real coke or just Head and Co. Which I never for a moment thought was real.

Stew

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jayhammer

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Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

Chill out,  hey I am in recovery for 11 years now and I was not offended, just looking foward to where she is going to put her stash!! After all it is called a stash safe what the heck did you think a stash safe was for??, actually this may be real practical for anyone who knows they are going to be locked up, better than  taking your chances kiestering a ballon and having it bust, right? I think Dandy has a great sense of humor she rocks.

SCSIgirl

Member

Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

1 I would hate to stop cuming to see the ISM girls.

2 I try not to think all Americans are uneducated as to where and who Canadians are.

3 Who is Lea, will she be doing a folio and a video? Would we all be in trouble if this was real coke or just Head and Co. Which I never for a moment thought was real.

Stew

2.  Whew!  And here I was thinking Canadians were Americans too!!  Where do the Mexicans fit in?

3.  Law Enforcement Agency -  A collective acronym for all.

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nagaloo

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Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

Chill out,  hey I am in recovery for 11 years now and I was not offended, just looking foward to where she is going to put her stash!! After all it is called a stash safe what the heck did you think a stash safe was for??, actually this may be real practical for anyone who knows they are going to be locked up, better than  taking your chances kiestering a ballon and having it bust, right? I think Dandy has a great sense of humor she rocks.

Well not everyone is so suscessful in staying on the wagon. And well d'oh yea I knew what it meant but I didnt need a demo with a white powder as a reminder. Oh yea theres a good tip for everyone if they go to jail--- add a drug smuggling charge to your sentance. I love Dandy too but she could have put smarties in it.

Stew

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Head

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Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

If you are investigated,  we are all in your database.  Yor servers are in California,  no privacy law will protect us from a court order,  which LEA can get at the snap of a finger.

Just consider the possibilities.

My god it's a shocking thought: conviction of "subscribing to a web site on which a person or persons simulates the preparation of a drug".  I'm sure the feds are right now preparing warrants for every one of us, and just to be consistent, every person who has ever watched TV in or originating from the USA.

You do realise that if you have any paper money in your pocket, you're in possession of non-simulated cocaine?  Quick, burn the lot!

Then find something that's really worth complaining about.

nagaloo

Member

Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

My god it's a shocking thought: conviction of "subscribing to a web site on which a person or persons simulates the preparation of a drug".  I'm sure the feds are right now preparing warrants for every one of us, and just to be consistent, every person who has ever watched TV in or originating from the USA.

You do realise that if you have any paper money in your pocket, you're in possession of non-simulated cocaine?  Quick, burn the lot!

Then find something that's really worth complaining about.

I guess you wouldn't have much of a pay cheque if only the true connoisseurs of the site were able to subscribe.

Stew
Have I angered the great Head
All Hail Head!! We're not worthy, We're not worthy, we're scum!!
It will feel better doing that when its just Shannon here!! He He

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Gimme_Danger

Member

Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

We assume all Muslins are terrorists.

I always assume all muslins are lightweight cotton fabric...semi opaque

see 'muslin'

Manring

Member

Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

We assume all Muslins are terrorists.

I always assume all muslins are lightweight cotton fabric...semi opaque

see 'muslin'

I kinda like the more terroristic type muslin, heavier and coarse. . .

chrisb469

Member

Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

I have to say I agree.  I was a huge fan of dandy's but I assosiate drugs with hookers and idiots and not hot chicks....

I know you said wait untill episode 3 till all is revealed which makes me think that what we think was on the mirrow is not what was on the mirror but still...If i hadn't been one of the few site users who read this forum (and i only came on to comment about the substance) then I would be very tempted to at least not click on dandy's folios again if not quit the site completly.

She did seem very hyper and quite f-ed up in the video so saying it's not what we think it is doesn't make any sense to me at all.

And our Extra Members daily video shouldnt count if theres no nudity.

chrisb469

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Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

I think it's hilarious. I suspect your anger comes from the hypocrisy that exists around drugs. Alcohol ruins people too, there's a strong case to be made for Barbie-dolls ruining people (body-image and such). But you didn't protest when the girl tried to bring in a Barbie-doll and I am almost certain you would not have protested if she shoved a wine bottle up her fanny.

the drug vrs alcohol arguament is an old one and crap one.

chrisb469

Member

Re: What the F#@% is up! You are pushing more than the Safe!!

Head, believe it or not, some of us are here to see artful self made photography...

oh well I'm mostly here to see Dandy and Jules feel themselves up while pissing in the garden....but I'm still against the implications of drug use.