#26 April 14th, 2005 08:20 PM

liandra_dahl

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Re: Women In Uniform

Liandra - I have seen the image of Hitler's hanky-head, and the many others of him looking jovial.  I've seen the battle of Midway footage, but the most exciting footage i've ever viewed is that of the special forces of Soviet's Syberia coming in from hiding, and with their troops on skis and tanks able to skim the snow which had decimated the Nazi's tanks (rendering them - and their weaponry - totally useless), beating the Nazis back from the close-to-the-end Stalingrad.  It was a real hero moment (and one which was used as inspiration for George Lucas' original Star Wars), and totally incredible to see.
As for the war itself - the millions killed and cruelty enacted - you're right, there's nothing erotic or sexy about it.  However, the pin-ups of the era appeal to my kitsch sensibilities, and there's just something about tanks that trips my trigger.  I'm not usually into machinery of any sort (Hell, I still ride a pushbike), but a Panzer attack is a mighty thing to behold, and the mechanisms of the war - the ingenuity of engineering - keeps me fascinated.  The horror is a dismally major element of WW2 (for example), but the great minds pitted against each other in strategic combat, the espionage, the rebellions and the dignity of those considered the underdog - this is where my fascination lies.  It is a 'story' that could not have been concocted by any mind...as per usual, truth is stranger than fiction.

Cat,
I am partial to air battles as my family has a lot of pilots and I am going to start learning to fly once I've got a job that pays highly enough. The Daring Douglas dive bombers just really appeal to me, but most of it was luck which makes it all the more exciting. I've seen the stuff with the soviet syberian special forces. I think the germans had managed to reach the farthest tram stop from the centre of moscow, about 38km, despite battling through the rain and muds of october and then being totally ill prepared and under suplied and with out even winter uniforms for the soviet winter. Then all those 40 fresh siberian divisions in their white snow suits and skies coming pooring over the snow covered hills. Failing to capture moscow effectively ended any hope of German forces conquering the USSR. It is pretty dramatic stuff I do agree. Stalingrad was no less dramatic, literally street fighting, fought from street to street, block by block and the tenacity of both sides was remarkable. Panza attacks, blitzkreig, the ingenuity of war, engineering, espionage, resistance, rebellion it's all enthralling and I can totally get your fascination, in fact I share it. I didn't mean to make it sound like a criticism, there's nothing wrong with finding the pin ups appealing. We all have our fetishes. I just don't find anything erotic in tanks and guns and those sorts of killing machines and such.

liandra_dahl

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Re: Women In Uniform

Ching Shih terrorized the China Sea in the early 19th century. A brilliant female pirate, she commanded 1800 ships and about 80,000 pirates.

Now, THAT, is hot.

Bloody hell that's impressive! I can feel some 'stirrings' about that one...

liandra_dahl

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Btw, i'm a Virgo - and 90% of my friends are Pisceans, so we're bound to get along!

Well what with the mutual fascination for war and finding empowered women extremely erotic I think I would call that a safe bet. If we.re "not talking about fetishized uniforms, or worn in a skin-baring way" I can totally get it. Lixx

thylacine

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Try this thought on for size.  War is what separates man from animals.  It also drives invention, development, innovation, but not art.

Not so. War has inspired many an artist to create great works of art. Picasso's 'Guernica' is one that immediately springs to mind. Delacroix's 'Liberty Leading the People' is another. But there are many, many others, both pro and anti war.

And, if you take art in the broader sense, what about all those authors, such as Hemingway, who wrote of their experiences in the Spanish Civil War or other wars? Or the poets who wrote of the carnage of the trenches in the First World War?

War may be hell, but it can also be an inspiration for the creative amongst us.

nagaloo

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Stew, surely there are naked pictures of Klingons out there somewhere...this is the Internet, after all!
As for costumes, and masks to hide behind, I think we all do that to some extent.  Some take it seriously, and others do it for a change of pace.  And it's good to know you don't run about scaring old ladies...what would Spock say!?

Kirk " In fact I think we are all human"
Spock " I find that statement insulting"
Not directly quoted

Logic must prevail Spock always found human emotion most Illogical. Even though he was 1/2 human so he would fail to see any humor in scaring little old ladies. LOL Even though some small bit of humor exists in the fact.
Stew

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GusTheMynahBird

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I think it is time someone mentioned Librarian Chic in this thread.  You know, the glasses, knee length skirts and opaque stockings that lead you to believe that these women are actually bondage queens in their spare time...or is that just me and my peverted little fantasies?

I went to a costume party a year or two ago dressed as a librarian and I have never been hit on by so many people at one party.

Yes, well, a good pair of glasses on a girl is a powerful hotness multiplier. It probably has something to do with glasses suggesting intelligence, which is a powerful turn-on.

Of course, judging by your description, there's also the whole demurity/tease factor.

wantingscott

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there is an AWESOME folio on here like that... what is that artist's name again???

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voyeur2

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Not so. War has inspired many an artist to create great works of art. Picasso's 'Guernica' is one that immediately springs to mind. Delacroix's 'Liberty Leading the People' is another. But there are many, many others, both pro and anti war.

And, if you take art in the broader sense, what about all those authors, such as Hemingway, who wrote of their experiences in the Spanish Civil War or other wars? Or the poets who wrote of the carnage of the trenches in the First World War?

War may be hell, but it can also be an inspiration for the creative amongst us.

I stick by my original statement.  War drives invention, development, innovation.  Because they are absolutely essential to survival and winning.  Art is inspired by witnessing the events, can state points of view.  But it is not an essential item to war. 

Unless of course we drift on to motivation, communications, morale.

Hmmm.

You might be right.  (or is it Might is Right!)

meanwhile back on the arty front . . .the daring amazons were getting their uniforms off and going off to the art wars.

And to comment on another comment.  Brains win.  No doubt about it.  Hence a previous comment about the vacant "porn girl pout' being more of a turn off.

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EgonArbus

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I stick by my original statement.  War drives invention, development, innovation.  Because they are absolutely essential to survival and winning.  Art is inspired by witnessing the events, can state points of view.  But it is not an essential item to war. 

Unless of course we drift on to motivation, communications, morale.

Hmmm.

You might be right.  (or is it Might is Right!)

meanwhile back on the arty front . . .the daring amazons were getting their uniforms off and going off to the art wars.

And to comment on another comment.  Brains win.  No doubt about it.  Hence a previous comment about the vacant "porn girl pout' being more of a turn off.

"...invention...development...innovation....essential to survival and winning....essential item to war...amazons getting uniforms off......brains win. No doubt about it."???

Virility - the enemy of love!

wantingscott

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quote: "Virility - the enemy of love!"- EgonArbus

Mother Earth and Father Sky would disagree with that. Father Sky rains his sperm on the fertile plains. is that not a love that Mother Earth reciprocates with all you see around you of Nature?

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EgonArbus

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quote: "Virility - the enemy of love!"- EgonArbus

Mother Earth and Father Sky would disagree with that. Father Sky rains his sperm on the fertile plains. is that not a love that Mother Earth reciprocates with all you see around you of Nature?

Only for war and 'progress' to devastate!  It seems again the male is active and the female passive!   According to Aristophanes, it was Lysistrata who brought an end to the Peloponnesian War: when Athenian and Spartan soldiers returned home from the front on leave, she persuaded their wives to withold sexual intercourse from them until they ended the war.  She was successful on both accounts!

voyeur2

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Only for war and 'progress' to devastate!  It seems again the male is active and the female passive!

What a crock!

And Aristophanes wrote the Play.  Not history.  A sort of - gee whiz what if - play?  Just because they never even imagined Hollywood doesn't mean they didn't know all about happy endings.

Take a look at various Palestinian funerals on TV.  Gold framed colour portrait of the newest martyr.  Who is holding it?  Mom?  Mostly.  Usually look pissed off, not about to be passive at all.  Who feeds, rears, educates, loves, motivates the Martyr?
Passive mom?  She pys a price too.

Wonder why?

Look at the issues.  Now we know the CIA is full of enough material to fertilize the entire middle east 3 feet deep, maybe another take on the situation is in order?

How about a press that investigates and reports instead of lining up at the trough for a 'press release'.  I see the release mentally as arriving in a convenient brown tubular form suitable for inserting directly into the oriface closest to their brains.

In the 60's knew as many committed women marchers against the Vietnam war as men. Not passive at all.

Just not as good at being violent.  To be a fighting soldier ya gotta hump 60 pounds of gear around with you (on average) Big difference between hauling 30% of your own weight before fighting, and hauling 50%.  Not to mention the sheer strength needed to fight.  10 pound weapon jumping all over the place.
I notice the average artiste here is about 5'5 and 115 pounds, average male soldier - infantry - closer to 5'10 and 200 pounds.

Hard to argue with physics.

but 'Passive' - naaaaw.

mumble mumble fart fart.

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EgonArbus

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What a crock!

And Aristophanes wrote the Play.  Not history.  A sort of - gee whiz what if - play?  Just because they never even imagined Hollywood doesn't mean they didn't know all about happy endings.

Take a look at various Palestinian funerals on TV.  Gold framed colour portrait of the newest martyr.  Who is holding it?  Mom?  Mostly.  Usually look pissed off, not about to be passive at all.  Who feeds, rears, educates, loves, motivates the Martyr?
Passive mom?  She pys a price too.

Wonder why?

Look at the issues.  Now we know the CIA is full of enough material to fertilize the entire middle east 3 feet deep, maybe another take on the situation is in order?

How about a press that investigates and reports instead of lining up at the trough for a 'press release'.  I see the release mentally as arriving in a convenient brown tubular form suitable for inserting directly into the oriface closest to their brains.

In the 60's knew as many committed women marchers against the Vietnam war as men. Not passive at all.

Just not as good at being violent.  To be a fighting soldier ya gotta hump 60 pounds of gear around with you (on average) Big difference between hauling 30% of your own weight before fighting, and hauling 50%.  Not to mention the sheer strength needed to fight.  10 pound weapon jumping all over the place.
I notice the average artiste here is about 5'5 and 115 pounds, average male soldier - infantry - closer to 5'10 and 200 pounds.

Hard to argue with physics.

but 'Passive' - naaaaw.

mumble mumble fart fart.

A disappointing evening. I walk away without taking with me any conjecture.

I would only say that one should never attack anything in terms of relations of force. That is the 'revolutionary' imagination the system istelf forces upon you - the system which survives only by constantly drawing those attacking it into fighting on the ground of reality (history), which is always its own.  But shift the struggle into the symbolic sphere, where the rule is that of challenge, reversion and outbidding.  So that death can be met only by equal or greater death.  Defy the system by a gift to which it cannot respond except by it own death and its own collapse.

voyeur2

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A disappointing evening. I walk away without taking with me any conjecture.

I would only say that one should never attack anything in terms of relations of force. That is the 'revolutionary' imagination the system istelf forces upon you - the system which survives only by constantly drawing those attacking it into fighting on the ground of reality (history), which is always its own.  But shift the struggle into the symbolic sphere, where the rule is that of challenge, reversion and outbidding.  So that death can be met only by equal or greater death.  Defy the system by a gift to which it cannot respond except by it own death and its own collapse.

I begin the day feeling somewhat stupid.  Lots of words, but I can't find a meaning.  Too deep for me.
Except the bit about reality (History).  One of my degrees is in that subject and History is the least of reliable sources.  To quote from a non-exhaustive list it is:

1- written by the winners.
2- propoganda.
3- selected facts.
4- even if you have all the 'facts' they are open to an almost infinity of interpretations
5- never written by the dead.
6- where inconvenient truth is edited out.

An analogy to the human condition.  We have 5 (or more) senses.  They receive data in a continuous stream.  If you try to pay attention to all the data all the time you go crazy. 

So - to be human we have to ignore most of our sensory input.  Part of Autism is the inability to filter the input.  Artists help enrich our lives by showing us a different history - a different assembly of the input scan - a different point of view.

Which drifts back to why I come here.  To see the experience - history - of being a young, sexy woman from the inside, rather than through some porn marketer's filter of what makes the most money from the most guys. (mostly)

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liandra_dahl

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Only for war and 'progress' to devastate!  It seems again the male is active and the female passive!   According to Aristophanes, it was Lysistrata who brought an end to the Peloponnesian War: when Athenian and Spartan soldiers returned home from the front on leave, she persuaded their wives to withold sexual intercourse from them until they ended the war.  She was successful on both accounts!

I'm pretty sure Aristophanes Lysistrata was written seven years before the end of the Peloponnesian war and the actual outcome was the exact opposite to what Aristophanes was hoping for in the play, which is essentially a plee for Peace. Had anybody really listened to the comic playwright then Athens may not have suffered so devastating a defeat. As for the Ancient Greeks they were amongst the first to make assumptions about females being passive and males being active, Aristotle claimed the woman was meerly an empty vessel and the man inserted the seed, in it's entirety, in to her incubator. Hence he believed there was no genetic connection between mother and child. How wrong he was. His stuff on the wondering womb is also fascinating in it's falsity. To believe in the passivity of women is to believe in a fallacy.