#1 July 1st, 2005 07:36 AM

nagaloo

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What is this site really?? Porn or Art?? An old question I know.

But I have begun to doubt what it is myself. As I have been involved in the forums and read some, commented and even started a few that had some intrest or were tongue in cheek. Comments and questions by some have made me start to think too. Oh is that why the smoke alarm keeps going off. Reading the shot yourself page for yet another time it now says 107 without Dr's release. I think it once said 18 to 99.

http://www.ishotmyself.com/public/gener … t_yourself

So where are the older women, there are lots at my gym who would give the 18 year olds a run for their money in the contests. And where are the BBW lots of guys love them too. And I know I haven’t looked at all the folios so someone with DSL so correct me if I am wrong. I haven’t seen anyone who would qualify as ugly, old, obese, disabled in anyway, horribly scarred whatever. All the girls fit in the same mould for the most part. I know they are different in ways. And some of the 18 year olds did they do the shoots before or after their bdays?

Maybe this is a site run by gay women, has anyone actually seen Head? Where are the women who go nuts at a male stripper bar. If a guy carried on like some women do they would find a # 12 shoe in their ass on the way out the door. So don't try to tell me women dont like seeing naked men, weather its porn or art, I know a few personally who enjoy naked males totally.

If you cant tell where I am laughing blame Liandra. Ha Ha

And what about those who get rejected? Do they get a voice if they think they have been treated unfairly? Do they get told about the forums? How many get tossed and why?

Things that make me go Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!
Stew

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zille

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Re: What is this site really?? Porn or Art?? An old question I know.

It's simple, Stew -- the good pictures, the ones that move you, are art.  The other ones are just cute and a nice way to liven up one's day.  Anything that turns you on is porn.  (Actually, I suppose the same thing could be said for art, in a more cerebral way....)

Who cares, however?

I know after years of making sites that the poeple who want to be on them are the people who feel self-confidant.  I have begged for older women, disabled women, big beautiful women, you name it, to come be on my sites.  I get almost no response.  So it's not my fault that I don't have them on my site -- and I have a feeling it's similar for ISM.

And, while I am pretty sure Head is a guy (from my lengthy email correspondance with him) -- who cares if Head is a raging diesel dyke?!  And how would that effect if the site is art or porn?!?!

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Gimme_Danger

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Re: What is this site really?? Porn or Art?? An old question I know.

personally I would say its soft amateur porn for the most part. some of the pics are 'artistic' but most run over the same ground as it's getting harder to find something different within the constraints of the project.

many of the comments left at the folios are becoming 'less considerate' to the photographers feelings. In addition the interraction with the 'artistes' is interesting but there is a certain attention or favour seeking from the punter side which is disconcerting

I have seen enough and have decided that my rolling extra subscription finally ends in August.

Belgareth

Member

Re: What is this site really?? Porn or Art?? An old question I know.

It's simple, Stew -- the good pictures, the ones that move you, are art.  The other ones are just cute and a nice way to liven up one's day.  Anything that turns you on is porn.  (Actually, I suppose the same thing could be said for art, in a more cerebral way....)

Who cares, however?

I know after years of making sites that the poeple who want to be on them are the people who feel self-confidant.  I have begged for older women, disabled women, big beautiful women, you name it, to come be on my sites.  I get almost no response.  So it's not my fault that I don't have them on my site -- and I have a feeling it's similar for ISM.

And, while I am pretty sure Head is a guy (from my lengthy email correspondance with him) -- who cares if Head is a raging diesel dyke?!  And how would that effect if the site is art or porn?!?!

I get the feeling that Stew has kick off another interesting topic.

I have found the same thing myself, regardless of whether  the site is own/run by a male or a female, there are those who just will not get involved. Yet there are web sites out there with numerous images of precisely the sorts of people who won't participate for the sake of "art" or freedom or even just-for-the-hell-of-it.

Equally interesting is the swing in the other direction when it comes to prostituting oneself, either in porngraphic film (or still), or on the street, or in a "house of ill repute". There is a significant number of people, of both sexes, who are well over forty and some who I would guess are in their late fifties, participating in those activities. It can even be applied to "escort" sites.

It would seem that to simply display your own body in a way that you find attractive and comfortable, with the hope that others will also find it attractive, is a young persons arena. While presenting youself to be potentially penetrated in every possible orifice at someone else's whim, or being the penetrator, is acceptable right across the board, with a tendancy toward the older end.

What puzzling traits we humans have sometimes.

To correct Stew's statement, there have been a number of quite buxom ladies revealing all on ISM over the last two years. In fact there have been all shapes, sizes and colours but very few that have managed to attain an age greater than thirty, whcih is nowhere near "old".

To finish and to ease Head's conscience, I am 100% certain that he is male!! He writes email like a man, not like a woman.

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Head

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Re: What is this site really?? Porn or Art?? An old question I know.

I know after years of making sites that the poeple who want to be on them are the people who feel self-confidant.  I have begged for older women, disabled women, big beautiful women, you name it, to come be on my sites.  I get almost no response.  So it's not my fault that I don't have them on my site -- and I have a feeling it's similar for ISM.

Yes that's exactly what we find.  Also, there are far fewer older women on the web moving in the circles that make them aware of sites like ours.

"call me Diesel and I'll shunt yo' ass"

SCSIgirl

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Re: What is this site really?? Porn or Art?? An old question I know.

But I have begun to doubt what it is myself. As I have been involved in the forums and read some, commented and even started a few that had some intrest or >>>>>  snipped for brevity  <<<<
Things that make me go Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!
Stew

Whew?  So many questions.  So little time.  Alright.  Let's get realistic about this.  That also means offending some.

Porn is a recent invention.  So is "age-of-consent"  (birthplace:  San Francisco, 1849).  Most advanced civilizations integrated sex as part of the normal and pop culture,  rather than keeping it underground.  In Rome, Greece, or Thrashia (sp?)  being a call girl was an honorable and toasted profession.  Naked men, women, children, sexual acts, were all part of everyday life and chronicled in statues, heiroglyphics, paintings, plays etc. of all western cultures.  That was until the Christians arrived.  Then the even stricter Muslims really veiled sex as primitive and ungodly.

I think that since Hefner and my "Love generation" ('60s), western societies have been trying to throw off the shackles of constraint.  Each progressive decade sheds more light and openess on sex in general.

When was the last time you heard the word "smut" in a negative manner?  Most everybody jokes with it nowadays.  Study after study after study have proven that sex isn't just for recreation;  it is a basic requirement for mental and physical health.  It's almost as important as eating and breathing.

So if sex is a basic requirement,  where do nude bodies become negative?  Porn is a term used to police you.  If we are going to find nude bodies in any pose negative to sex,  then we had better start black listing some foods as offensive.  I'll start by declaring Brussell Sprouts pornographic.

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SCSIgirl

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Re: What is this site really?? Porn or Art?? An old question I know.

But I have begun to doubt what it is myself. As I have been involved in the forums and read some, commented and even started a few that had some intrest or >>>>   snipped for brevity  <<<<
Things that make me go Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!
Stew

And, I might add.....

No site will cover it all.  All sites develop a "look and feel" that certain surfers appreciate.  Some times they just luck into it.  I don't think "Hot or Not" ever expected to appeal to the large audience that they do.

If you want disabled, go to www.gimpsgonewild.com
If you want tits go to www.ratemyrack.com
If you want gay gunslingers go to www.pinkpistols.org

Each appeals to a certail audience.  No one site can do it all...   although Microsoft tries to...

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nagaloo

Member

Re: What is this site really?? Porn or Art?? An old question I know.

It's simple, Stew -- the good pictures, the ones that move you, are art.  The other ones are just cute and a nice way to liven up one's day.  Anything that turns you on is porn.  (Actually, I suppose the same thing could be said for art, in a more cerebral way....)

And, while I am pretty sure Head is a guy (from my lengthy email correspondance with him) -- who cares if Head is a raging diesel dyke?!  And how would that effect if the site is art or porn?!?!

The joke about Head was my reaction to the fact that most women in the forum are not interested in seeing the guys. Are you all Bi or Gay? And my insisting that guys can do artsy photos isnt to expose myself, I have never seen myself as a hot guy just a putz who plods along. Although I have had a few women tell me different lately. But I like using my camera on everything.

And I am less and less "excited" by the pictures maybe I am over exposed now. Videos on the other hand .......... But it has to be both visual and a good chat or topic too. I like a folio that starts off covered up, I like the shapes and hidden stuff LOL.

Stew

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voyeur2

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Re: What is this site really?? Porn or Art?? An old question I know.

Its an art site.  What porn site has a forum with discussions like these?  This site engages the mind, and gives at least some little bit of communication and intimacy.

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zille

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Re: What is this site really?? Porn or Art?? An old question I know.

Yes that's exactly what we find.  Also, there are far fewer older women on the web moving in the circles that make them aware of sites like ours.

Yes, that is a real problem.  And older women often do not trust the internet as younger women do.  So wanting to put naked images of yourself out there seems even scarier!

"call me Diesel and I'll shunt yo' ass"

Zille -->  dissolves into helpless giggles

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zille

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Re: What is this site really?? Porn or Art?? An old question I know.

Zille some of yours get me at all 3 levels!!! At once!!

Whee!  Thanks, Stew!  I like to multi-task  [grins]

The joke about Head was my reaction to the fact that most women in the forum are not interested in seeing the guys. Are you all Bi or Gay? And my insisting that guys can do artsy photos isnt to expose myself, I have never seen myself as a hot guy just a putz who plods along. Although I have had a few women tell me different lately. But I like using my camera on everything.

Well, speaking as a straight girl-gone bi-gone lesbian-gone back bi again-girl, I'm honestly not particularly interested in see most men naked.  I certainly have never paid for it.  If I am offered it for free I might go look, cause, well it's free.  I like seeing my lovers naked.  I'd not mind seeing a few certain movie stars naked.  But while I almost always want to see just about any girlie naked, I can really take a pass on the majority of men.  (Take no offense, please!)

But that's just me.

And I am less and less "excited" by the pictures maybe I am over exposed now. Videos on the other hand .......... But it has to be both visual and a good chat or topic too. I like a folio that starts off covered up, I like the shapes and hidden stuff LOL.

Yes, ISM can give one quite a "glut" of naked girls.  Who knew that anyone would ever complain of seeing too many naked girls?!

Although I do agree heartily about the merits of a good strip-tease!  Hiding a little adds so much!

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capiango

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Re: What is this site really?? Porn or Art?? An old question I know.

Ive always considered ISM more of an ART site but of clearly thats a broad statement and seeing what we've seen it all falls within the borders of the project at least for most of us, which is why we are still here.
I was planning to start a thread on this and someone else touched on it briefly, but what seems to have changed most to me are the people that post, more specifically the people who post comments under the folios. I know Head has deleted posts in the past but usually those that have been very derogatory but often I still find post that seem to lack tact. I would like to know how some of the ladies feel about this. More times than not, the feedback is positive and tasteful, but when someone posts specific details or they zero in on certain body parts or functions is it flattering or detracting? I dont like being blunt but hopefully you all know what I mean, I will find examples if necessary! I realize you're all putting it out there for everyone to see but does that give the viewer free lisence to comment and elaborate and how does it make you feel?? I expect everyone to feel the different about this so the more replies the better!

nagaloo

Member

Re: What is this site really?? Porn or Art?? An old question I know.

Its an art site.  What porn site has a forum with discussions like these?  This site engages the mind, and gives at least some little bit of communication and intimacy.

I do feel I am getting to know some here as close friends. And having some of the girls respond directly is nice. And some even like to get the odd message from me too. Maybe thats why I keep feeling it would be nice to have a spot for the guys who want to post some pics.

Stew

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The universe is unfolding as it should, and so are the girls on ISM. I love them all.

nagaloo

Member

Re: What is this site really?? Porn or Art?? An old question I know.

Whee!  Thanks, Stew!  I like to multi-task  [grins]

I certainly have never paid for it.  If I am offered it for free I might go look, cause, well it's free.  I like seeing my lovers naked.
(Take no offense, please!)

But that's just me.

Although I do agree heartily about the merits of a good strip-tease!  Hiding a little adds so much!

Well heres a link www.stewgetsnakedforfreeforzille.canada

Sorry it wont work but if Zille insists I might. But I guess I would have to be her lover first.

I would love a folio where the first part was all clothes and a slow strip to........ sorry boys and girls tune in tomorrow for the bare skin.

Stew

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The universe is unfolding as it should, and so are the girls on ISM. I love them all.

nagaloo

Member

Re: What is this site really?? Porn or Art?? An old question I know.

I was planning to start a thread on this and someone else touched on it briefly, but what seems to have changed most to me are the people that post, more specifically the people who post comments under the folios. I know Head has deleted posts in the past but usually those that have been very derogatory but often I still find post that seem to lack tact. I would like to know how some of the ladies feel about this. More times than not, the feedback is positive and tasteful, but when someone posts specific details or they zero in on certain body parts or functions is it flattering or detracting? I dont like being blunt but hopefully you all know what I mean, I will find examples if necessary! I realize you're all putting it out there for everyone to see but does that give the viewer free lisence to comment and elaborate and how does it make you feel?? I expect everyone to feel the different about this so the more replies the better!

I dont get time to look and comment. You have use your time wisely on ISM. But I would run out of comments quickly if I was. How many ways can you say nice tits, sweet pussy, you are so hot. They all desreve positive comments and if they dont come to the forum where else do you tell them what you like to see and how it could have been better. I love tattoos but wouldn't say hey nice shoot but if you turned to the left in # 75 it would have been better.

Stew

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The universe is unfolding as it should, and so are the girls on ISM. I love them all.

gustavus2003

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Re: What is this site really?? Porn or Art?? An old question I know.

ISM does in my opinions not even vaguely qualify as art. In that respect the site is far too derivative, speculative and one-dimentional. ISM is perhaps not explicit enought to be pornographic eighter, but in general qualifies to be erotica in some kind of degree. Anyway what ISM "is" has very much to do how the user watches and views the photographies, so there is a personal dimension in how the site will be interpretated.